Saturday, December 16, 2023

On Maturity Of Character


Friend-Of-This-Blog (FOTB) Leigh from Five Acres and a Dream had a comment on yesterday's post that is worth a meditation of its own: "I have no idea if God is directing you or trying to mature your character".

Sometimes a single comment hits home.

"Maturity (mə-tyoo͝r′ĭ-tē):  The state or quality of being mature"

"Mature:  (mə-tyoo͝r):    Having reached natural growth or development; Having or showing characteristics, such as patience and prudence, considered typical of well-balanced adulthood".

I have always struggled with maturity.  I was in some ways "immature" well into my twenties (a life of fantasy novels, role playing games, high school band, and drama will do that for you).  In some ways this served me well as I was (and am still able) to find an element of fun in everything; it served me less well in that decisions and plans that had to be made were pushed off until later, sometimes much later (like a career path, for example).

The single biggest moment I can remember this was discussed was early in my biopharmaceutical/medical device career, when my manager - an old hippie that I greatly respected - made the comment "I am in no position to talk about conforming, but as an FYI, it will be hard for management to take you serious for promotion if the image they see of you is one of you jumping up and down in front of the window in the facility, waving."

Yup.  That was me circa 1998.

I tried over the years to take his - and others - advice on the matter.  Tried to tone down the excess, tried to "be" mature.  Funny thing about that, at least in the then-world:  it was never something that was actively defined or discussed.  It was simply a "thing" that one was, a rite of passage that was self-evident to every one but me.

My impression of maturity then, and even now to some point, is that a lot of it is giving up impulsiveness - which others might describe a fun.

That makes rational sense of course - after all, the longer the live the more you have invested in a life and the less one can afford to lose the capital - physical, mental, spiritual, financial, reputational - that one has built up.  And some of those are simply either good rules or physical facts:  one cannot drink to excess or eat to overflowing or spend without thinking or jump off the edge for a marginally deep pool like one used to for various reasons.  All sensible things.

And yet, as these layers have peeled away like milestones, nothing has flowed in to replace them.

A simple example:  Thursday night I went to dinner with my sister and The Outdoorsman as we often do when I am in town at a local brew pub.  We ordered a drink as we also do (mine was a seasonal stout aged in a whiskey barrel).

I could barely finish it with my dinner. And even then, with a full stomach only that one drink, I still felt the impact in my sleep.

Again, a silly and simple example and probably a good one for me:  although I have not shown alcoholic tendencies I tend to consume quickly with the requisite outcome and some of my greatest personal failures have been while a little over the limit. So in that sense, this is "finally" a move for the better.  At the same time, the prospect of limiting my beverage options even more sounds, well, less exciting.  One can only drink so much iced tea.

It is as if the core of outer activities gets stripped away to pierce into the inner core, which then has to be worked on in turn.  Given that the outer core only seems ever to be "giving things up" (even things that should be given up), it initially does not give me enthusiasm for the next part of the process.

Maybe it is my own experience - the "mature" people I have met too often seem to have a blandness of character about them, a sort of superficial similarity of fitting in to the world in a way that leaves me flat.  They have the look, the same tastes, the same thoughts, the same lack of fun except in what only ever seems to be socially "acceptable" ways.

But to Leigh's point, maybe this maturing internally is part of the whole process right now - not the sort I reference above, the bland sort of adulthood that young adults rebel against simply because it is as unattractive as it seems, but rather the actual process of become a mature adult that people want to be like.

I can write on the process and it all makes sense when I see it. Living it, however, is something entirely different.
 

18 comments:

  1. Nylon126:59 AM

    Wait until you reach your late 60s TB and I hope you do, those physical activities really do get affected. Talk about THAT affecting your maturity level.......yikes!

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    1. Nylon12 - That is the other side of spectrum of course - that things really start "falling apart" at that point. I have already noticed in my mid-50's that - just like my cousin warned me - things changed. I am working through that, as I am also aware that in some ways, what I do now especially sets the stage for the next twenty years (physically if nothing else).

      It also impacts longer term plans, of course. In ten or fifteen years, am I going to want to be considering a move, for example?

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  2. A few old quotes come to mind:

    Self-knowledge is the first step to maturity. Jane Austen

    We don’t mature through age; we mature in awareness. Byron Katie

    Keep a nimble mind, and err on the side of precaution. Naval Ravikant

    Wisdom is really about figuring the long-term consequences of your actions. Naval Ravikant

    A mature person is one who does not think only in absolutes, who is able to be objective even when deeply stirred emotionally, who has learned that there is both good and bad in all people and in all things, and who walks humbly and deals charitably with the circumstances of life, knowing that in this world no one is all knowing and therefore all of us need both love and charity.
    Eleanor Roosevelt

    “Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not - and a puppy has none. We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers

    “Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

    “A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Friday

    Often politeness and gentle manners are deemed: "Bland" are they not? Disruptive youth want ACTION, Edginess and such.

    Don't be Boring says the youth. I often chat with my Walmart friends about their lives, and they say my life is Boring. I reply something about "Boring"? You mean you are healthy? well fed? the car started this morning? You have a warm home to sleep in tonight? THAT boring?

    They generally laugh and I get a hug or fist bump as they go on their way. Probably because I'm not judging but making a light humor (think Yoda) about it.

    “In a dark place we find ourselves, and a little more knowledge lights our way.” – Yoda


    Seriously maturity isn't "Bland" Sir. Do you call the results of a Mature Aged Stout Beer "Bland"? A 20 year scotch? A nice air aged bit of steak?

    When I think "Bland" I think of groupthink. Did you see the "Life of Brian"? Where Brian climbs that steep hill to escape the mass of people following him and cries out "You are Individuals!"

    The mass replies "We are individuals".

    Brian cries "You have free will".

    The mass replies "We have free will".

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    1. Fantastic quotes, Michael. Thank you.

      I would not call any of the examples you gave as bland. But it is an easier concept for me to understand the "maturity) of a steak or stout or whiskey as I understand the process that gets them to that point and what the outcome of that process is. Using myself as the experimental outcome is a bit more of an unknown in my mind.

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    2. Life itself is unknown friend.

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    3. It is, Michael. I just do not deal well with uncertainty.

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  3. We walk the same path. I don't do alcohol, tho. I have a little four year old boy's curiosity and I am loathe to kill it. It has served me well, tuning me in to everything around me. I've been encouraged to tone that down, but I don't know how. And I don't want to.

    I love to laugh and have fun. I hated the drudgery of work. If I could bring fun to work, I wasn't working. I had an instructor's love for my subject, so I wanted to pass on knowledge to the user at the same time I was servicing equipment. It worked on almost everyone. If they didn't like the fun aspect, I informed them I had found a 1920's mailorder medical course to study. I could help them remove whatever crawled up their rectum and died. ;) I'm still that way. I can't help it. I can be serious, but I'd rather keep it light.

    My insurance is changing, and I'm losing my favorite care advocate. We worked all this year together, and she told me this week that she will miss me. She said that I was the most pleasant patient she had worked with, and when she saw my name on the caller ID, she would always pick up. She would call me after she had a rough one to feel better.

    I don't want to lose these qualities in a quest for "maturity". I finally got comfortable with the idea that if I know what I'm doing, maybe the subject matter expert for my group, then my proclivities for fun would be tolerated. It worked.

    Maybe take it slower now. Be a bit more deliberate. But I'd recommend not squeezing out the lighter part of your character. There are plenty of self-important pieces of marble in the work place. Perhaps it IS the time for you to quit working for someone and work for yourself as a consultant. And be sure you put EVERYTHING on your "what do I know and have to offer" worksheet. You are a unique individual and have a lot to recommend you.

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    1. STxAR - You are right; we are on a comparable path. And for sure the "effervescence" of my character helps will a great many things at work as the ability to lighten the mood is always an appreciated asset (I certainly appreciate others that can do it, anyway). As I have often told others, if I am ever serious about a conversation, that means there actually is trouble.

      One thing that has been made apparent to me recently in my Iaijutsu class is that I need to adopt more of a teaching mindset - to some extent I have always had one, but in sort of a passive way. This needs to be more deliberate - not that I would or ever will teach, but that I need to have that level of study and understanding. And yes, if one has a demonstrated base of knowledge, much can be allowed.

      There is a balance, to be sure. I see the "self-important pieces of marble" (lovely phrase, borrowing it) every day in numerous venues. And you are right, those are the people that are the least engaging to work for or with.

      Consulting is certainly a path and even if not something that is possible for the moment, something that I can certainly work towards.

      Thanks for all the positive vibes!

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  4. A great blogpost TB, and an excellent comment thread. Thanks Michael for some great quotes (and an attribution for each).
    I always knew we had much in common in the way we think; I just don't often comment unless I can add to the discussion. Now that I'm officially an old geezer (over 70), I often find myself saying that I try to be gracious about these "limitations of age" that keep cropping up, but they are aggravating and irritating in the extreme.
    I am always of a philosophical orientation, and often meditate on what "wisdom" is, and how it differs from knowledge and experience. I keep coming back to a quip attributed to Socrates that the only thing he knew for certain was the extent of his own ignorance.

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    1. Thanks Greg!

      Perhaps not a surprise that I enjoy Socrates very much - yes, I know we only have his words via Plato and Xenophon, but he is so approachable. That said, we mostly have writings from the latter part of his life. One wonders what he would have been like 20 or 30 years earlier, and how much his earlier life experience formed him.

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  5. I quite often look at my daughters and see a "maturity" far beyond my years when I was a similar age. I'm put maturity in quotation marks because I'm not sure I think it is the optimum term. I think more along the lines of a loss of innocence. Perhaps the end result of the meaning is the same but I look at is as something taken away from me more than something I failed to do. For example, I never really knew death of close family until the last half decade and I'm your age. My kids new it much much earlier. But figuring out we aren't immortal strips away a layer of innocence that we never get back again. Figuring out we have to project ourselves because people do judge us by our appearance, i.e. waving in the window, stripped some of that ability to just live life carefree that we had up until that point.

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    1. Ed, that is an interesting thought.

      One of my complaints for years is that we strip the innocence of the young too quickly in the modern world. Yes, I know that prior to 200 years ago life was a lot different and in a lot of ways those things were a lot more apparent, but we have seemed to reach the point that we actively see what we can do to make our children as grown up as possible as quickly as possible...because.

      We do that to ourselves as well of course; C.S. Lewis described it well as youngsters wanting to drink beer and smoke cigarettes so they could feel "grown up". The problem is that once one is grown up (coughing up smoke and hangover included), the innocence is gone. Yes, there is a possibility of regaining certainly forms of innocence (I have done that myself), but it is extremely difficult and at the cost of putting things out of mind to the point that things are completely blocked out, at least consciously.

      The window comment - offered in the very best of intents (and I really liked that manager - has hung with me for all of these years. I had a similar incident in 2006 with another great manager who was a mentor, who gently pointed out that a non-sequitur reference in a presentation which I thought was hilarious actually did nothing for the presentation and made me look foolish. I again took his advice and from that day on to this, my presentations - and I have made many of them since them - are, in a lot of ways, just like everyone else's (although I do still insist putting quotes in them) - bland, corporate, completely unremarkable and passing every test of "approved" with flying colors. But that changed me as well.

      There are people that live those sorts of life - carefree in the face of the world and not giving a fig - but the reality is that I am not one of them (just as, I have realized, I am not the sort of person that can really do my own independent business well, no matter how much I like to think I could). I admire them, even as I confess that I am not what they are, no matter how much I think it would be cool to do so. In that sense, I suppose, I am the most conformist individual I know.

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  6. I think I've always been kind of an "old soul", but this post makes me feel more "mature" than I care to be. lol

    I wish I had a "jumping in the window at work, waving" story. Not that I don't have plenty of immature, embarrassing, even shame-producing memories of my younger adult days, but I've always wished I was more carefree and uninhibited than I am. OTOH, I do think I'm fairly content and made easily happy - so there is that.

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    1. Becki, to be clear I have not changed "all" that much - I still randomly break into song for the silliest of reasons (I have often free formed songs when I talk to my friends on the phone to give it at "talk show" feel). But his comment really stuck in my mind. In that sense it is not that I cannot be "creative", just that I have to find more socially acceptable ways to slip it in.

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    2. I love that image. While this is a side of you I hadn't picked up here, I didn't imagine that you weren't still the same fella. ;^)

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    3. Oh, I still have issues, Becki. I just manage them more effectively...

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  7. "One can only drink so much iced tea." LOL I say the same thing about water.

    As usual, your explorations of a concept are extremely well thought out and interesting. I've been thinking about this post for several days. It made me realize that I've taken my own definition of maturity for granted, but really, all understanding starts with the defining of terms. Maybe my question should be, "what does a mature human being look like?"

    I think you hit on one quality - self-control. And the observation that self-control is somewhat opposite to impulsiveness. And that provoked thoughts about definitions. I wondered why does modern society generally have negative connotations about maturity? Why does it value youth and 'never growing up' above experience and wisdom? Why is silliness valued more than seriousness? Why are we always searching for that 'fountain of youth?' All rhetorical questions, of course, but thought provoking nonetheless.

    And that made me think about where we source our information (including definitions.) For example, I use Gal. 5: 22-23 and I Cor 13: 4-7 for my personal definition of maturity. And then I had to admit that I have no idea where other people come up with their ideas about maturity.

    Apologies for the babbling. I do have a closing thought. Maybe maturity doesn't mean giving up things (like impulsiveness), but rather discerning when and where their exercise is useful and appropriate.

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    1. Leigh, I do think the same about water as well!

      Thank you for the interesting discourse. I think you have hit on a critical thought: the question of "What does a mature human being look like".

      Interestingly enough, once upon a time we spent a great deal of time talking about this - we called it philosophy and theology. In fact, the Greeks spent a great deal of time and energy talking about arete, the concept of excellence. But we have really let all of that go in the last 30 years or so.

      If I were to think about, there was shift in the late 20th Century - where, I do not know - that changed the concepts of maturity and adulthood to exactly what you suggest: youth instead of growing up, immaturity instead of experience, silliness instead of serious, endless youth instead of embracing the progress of life. We moved from a civilization that valued such things to...the situation we find ourselves in now.

      Those are two very good sets of verses to define maturity (and, I will note, does not leave out a certain amount of levity, which I value at least). The "problem", of course, is that requires things like self control, which is short supply these days.

      Agreed that maturity is not necessarily giving up things but in determining their usefulness and appropriateness. I suppose for myself at least, I tend to use them as a substitute in some cases for the deeper work that is needed.

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