In going through the equivalent of an "series binge" of Andre Norton, I realized how large a part ruins play in so many fantasy and science fiction stories.
Ruins permeate so much of the science fiction and fantasy landscape: old buildings which dot landscapes and planets, oftentimes without a hint as to why they were put in place. In Andre Norton they appear as ruins of the Old Ones in Witch World or the Forerunners in her science fiction. In Tolkien they are the remains of the Men of Númenor at Amon Sul and The Argonath and Amon Hen or the Mines of Moria of Durin's folk. In Edgar Rice Burroughs they are the dead cities of the Orovars, built on the shorelines of receding oceans. In Robert E. Howard they are the nameless brooding buildings (filled with rumors treasury) that abound in Hyperborea. In H. Beam Piper, they appear not so much as ruins as in the remnants of a civilization (The Federation). And in post-apocalypse novels, they are the remains of the modern world as we know it (depending, of course, of whenever the collapse actually occurred).
Ruins provide several functionalities in these stories. They can be the point of the quest, or serve as a sort of brooding background to the characters as they move through the landscape. They are a thing of mystery and speculation: usually little is known about the builders or their purposes or, if both are known, it is acknowledged by the characters that such things cannot be built again by those in their day. They serve as sentinels of a past age, now lost, at best forming a location of perilous comfort, at worst a place of danger.
Our own ancestors were not immune to these things; in Old English there was actually a word for this, dústscéawung, literally "contemplation of the dust". We have at least one work in the Old English corpus of work called "The Ruin", in which the author contemplates the remains of the Roman works that existed in his time:
Wrætlic
is Þes
wealstān; wyrde gebræcon
burgstede
burston; brosnað
enta geworc.
Hrōfas
sind gehrorene, hrēorge
torras
hrīmgeat
berofen hrīm
on līme
scearde
scūrbeorge scorene, gedrorene,
ældo
underetone.
smashed the city; decayed the work of giants.
As a genealogist and with a farming background, I most identify with my ancestors by seeking out their homesteads and looking through the ruins, walking the fields and seeing what they saw during their lifetimes. So I guess I feel we do have ruins still, just out of different materials that tend to return to dust sooner than the stone ruins that you mostly refer too. Even with that, some places like say New York City will be around for millennia long after we humans are gone and be a ruin for someone to poke around, maybe even preserve.
ReplyDeleteA fair point Ed. Certainly the whole of human history has more gone to dust than we have to look at. And New York will be around forever, pending world wide destruction (it is one of the few that always shows up in every apocalyptic movie ever).
DeleteThat said, I do not know that we think of them in the same way that we used to . They are less lessons or things to see in awe and more sort of attractions. But perhaps that is what almost everything is to us now, an attraction for our viewing pleasure.
The modern American mindset (at least, not sure about elsewhere) seems to deliberately prefer the modern over the ancient. So many old structures are torn down in favor of something new and modern. Then, considering the poor quality of building materials nowadays, it would seem that none of what is built now will last. We'll have no ruins to leave behind for future generations to ponder over and wonder about.
ReplyDeleteIt is true Leigh, that on the whole society favors the new rather than the old. And given our propensity to put everything on things that require power and computers, there will not even be our language to outlast us.
DeleteLast Picture Show and Electra, Texas.
ReplyDeleteOur modern ruins are littered about the countryside.
Even prosperous small towns, built on tourism and kitsch, stand testament to a time in which simple farmers built thriving towns and trade routes. Today, the centers of power have collapsed the small towns and hamlets. What magic did those old-timers possess that we now know not of? How did they build and prosper? Can we reclaim that magic? These loom over me and thrust their message in our eyes like thumbs in an alley fight. What was their message? Where have all of our ancients gone? Do they live on in us? Have we been spelled and glamoured so much that we can never see their plan?
I had not heard of this movie, Just So (just went and looked it up).
DeleteThat is a fair point. I have been through the old mining towns that used to house thousands and now house tens and the southwest boom towns that now are just dots along the interstates.
The magic - if I may be so bold - was the fact that the town was integrated as a single unit instead being a support mechanism for a larger entity - in this case the cities.
I guess the thought - perhaps the difference between my thoughts and your cogent points - is that the ruins do not impact most people. They - we - are safely insulated from these ruins as they are far away from anywhere that we are likely to go.
..yes can be a central theme and essential to plot development..some loose examples in case you want some other ruin themed books:
ReplyDeleteA canticle for Leibovitz; Doomsday book; matter (a culture novel ), Ringworld, Illium and Hyperion. Those are the only ones I can see from where I am ;). Matter was neat. Takes place on a massive structure in space where the story revolves around a fantasy story one one of the levels of the structure. Levels are world size and part of the story revolves around digging up technology from a long dead technologically advanced society. Combines fantasy and SciFi. Sorry. I love the Culture series!
All of these I have not read EGB! Thanks for the recommendations!
ReplyDelete(And, I think they are older. Yay for used books!)
..and Ringworld also echos part of your sentiment (2 posts previous) on an overreliance on technology.
ReplyDeleteRingworld is one of those I have steered away from in the past, as I was reluctant to go into a new series. Well, now I have a lot more travel time to read.
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