Of the many struggles I have had over the years with people I have followed, those that praise themselves is not one of them.
Were you to quiz me on this, I fear I could not come up with a really logical answer as to why that is. It certainly was never a conscious decision on my part. It is not as if I have not know people that were that way - even in the times before social media, there were plenty of them. And while I am a fully socially functioning introvert, even I have been aware that I have to "interact" with people.
And yet, self-praisers are not something that have ever attracted me. In fact, it is something I have found rather repellent.
Again, I cannot fully express to you why this is. Perhaps it is just the self-centered nature that such conversations seem to become: all things are bent back around the the individual and what they have done like light vainly trying to escape a black hole. Perhaps it is the fact that those that often or always praise themselves often seem to have a pretty skewed view as to what their "contributions" have actually been. Perhaps it is simply that one-sided conversations about one's self are not dialogues but rather monologues - and most of those not nearly as well written as one by Shakespeare.
And yet, I am conscious - oh, so very conscious - that I have the same tendency as well.
The sign that this is usually taking hold in my own life is that I spend the time someone else is speaking to formulate my own answer. I do not "hear" them, other than as a foil to my own next response. Another sign is in the subtle physical signs that indicate that someone has started to check out of the conversation.
Another, of course, is simply that I listen to myself and all I hear coming out of my own mouth, to quote a country song, is "What about me? What about I?"
God cannot flow where the pipes are stuck up with the blockage of my own pride.
C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity said it perhaps most elegantly:
"Do not imagine that if you meet a really humble person he will be what most people call 'humble' nowadays: he will not be a sort of greasy, smarmy person, who is always telling you that, of course, he is nobody. Probably all you will think of him is that he seemed a cheerful, intelligent chap who took a real interest in what you said to him. If you do dislike him it will be because you feel a little envious of anyone who seems to enjoy life so easily. He will not be thinking about humility; he will not be thinking about himself at all."
Well said. Very well said indeed. The last sentence of the C.S. Lewis quote sums it up beautifully. And this - "God cannot flow where the pipes are stuck up with the blockage of my own pride" ought to be a meme!
ReplyDeleteI think what you describe is probably quite common, especially nowadays, when the art of conversation is basically forgotten.
Leigh, that quote remains one of my most favorite of all of Lewis' quotes - partially because it is so clearly, partially because I can visualize that sort of person and it gives me a goal to strive for.
DeleteFrom my experience - and by "my experience", I mean "me" as much as anyone else - many conversations are just monologues waiting to start when someone else ends.
Proverbs 18:
ReplyDelete…12Before his downfall a man’s heart is proud, but humility comes before honor. 13He who answers a matter before he hears it— this is folly and disgrace to him. 14The spirit of a man can endure his sickness, but who can survive a broken spirit?…
And many more.
Ecclesiastes 12
…11The words of the wise are like goads, and the anthologies of the masters are like firmly embedded nails driven by a single Shepherd. 12And by these, my son, be further warned: There is no end to the making of many books, and much study wearies the body. 13When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.…
Try moving towards the source instead of wise men interpreting for you, friend.
Michael, I am well aware of such Scriptures, and even more than you quote here.
DeleteThat said, I find that the thoughts of others on them are valuable and can help me to understand them better and illuminate them further and provide examples that make them real to me. I attend to church to hear the teaching of men on Scripture that are better educated in it than I and have a perspective I may not; I consider the 2,000 years of Christian thought and writing to be in the same vein.
Well......all those taking selfies have missed the mark curtesy of that Computer in the Pocket TB.
ReplyDeleteNylon12, you made me chuckle out loud! And yes, I am pretty guilty of that at times as well.
DeleteHezekiah 3:12 says, "He that tooteth not his own horn, the same shall not be tooted." I try and remember that when I'm feeling a bit proud.
ReplyDeleteI also noticed that what I dislike about myself, I see very clearly in others. So if someone is insufferable, that issue might be evident in my own life. A societal mirror of sorts. YMMV....
STxAR - I had to look that reference up. Brilliant! I am bookmarking that for the future.
DeletePart of me has always suffered from the fact that I want to engage a certain almost karma-like process in that, as you say, if I lift myself up I will be cast down later. It is not karma of course: Christ talks about those who exalt themselves being humbled and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Maybe just not on the timeline we think it is.
There is a quote or quotes out there that state that what we dislike most in others is the flaws that we have in ourselves. Like you, I find things insufferable in others that I realize I have in spades in myself - like, for example, being talked over in a conversation because I want to speak first. As a result, I try to pay attention to my negative reactions to people: What is it I dislike or am acting badly to in them? Is it "real", or is it a reflection of a flaw (read "sin" here) in myself?
Although, I don't think I struggle with this in face to face conversations, I think about this subject much on blogger, especially when I comment on other blogs. I tend not to comment unless I have something to contribute to what was said and that usually means talking about some aspect of my life. Enough so, that I occasionally contemplate what the blog owner must think of me.
ReplyDeleteEd, an interesting point.
DeleteI can only speak for myself, but I think to some extent I anticipate people speaking at some level about their lives, at least based on the blog - after all, comments are usually written in response to something that we have an opinion on which means we have a point of reference, usually our lives.
That said, I certainly have not found (at least here) anyone whose comments droned on completely about their own life to the exclusion of the subject.
C.S. for the win.
ReplyDeleteJohn, every time I re-read Lewis I am reminded again of what a truly great writer he was - he almost grows better with the years. Amazing for a many that has produced no new works in 50 years.
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